Voter fraud is almost non-existent and typically involves republicans. ID laws are designed to reduce turn out in various democrat leaning demographics, this has been openly admitted to by the republicans that helped push for it in the recent election cycles. Meanwhile, the ID would slow things down at the polls, reduce turn out and still not prevent any fraud (fake IDs already exist, ask teenagers).
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Apr 14, 2015
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I believe that voter fraud is NOT "almost non-existent" and it is NOT exclusively republican. If it truly did involve republicans then that is what the news media would talk about all the time. Take the Obama supporter in Ohio that admitted that she voted for Obama 6 times. Yeah the media talked about it but, they have never followed up on the story.
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Apr 14, 2015
Why follow up on a story about 6 votes when the gap in the state wasn't small enough to warrant a recount? You would have to run the story as "well this happened and had no negative effect on the outcome" and that isn't what someone wanting to score a win for voter ID laws would want to have to write.
Googling for voter fraud turns up stories mostly about petition fraud to get people on ballots as opposed to election issues regarding actual votes being cast. It also turns up various investigations that end up saying voter fraud at time of elections is very minimal and typically involves people who believe their voting rights were intact but for various reasons were not (thus these people weren't overtly and specifically committing a crime with the intent to defraud an election, they were merely misinformed of their voting status).
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1 vote,
Apr 14, 2015
Just saw what happened to that woman:
What is going to stop her from voting again?
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Apr 14, 2015
It looks like the votes amounted to one or two extra votes per election and indicates a lack of communication between the group tallying absentee ballots and in-person votes. The photo ID would have prevented her from voting for her sister, but so would poll personnel being attentive 'ma'am you can't get back in line or ma'am why are you filling out two voting slips'.
This fringe case doesn't justify blatantly disenfranchising democratic voters via voter ID laws being rushed to pass prior to elections.
If the right wants voter id laws legit then try making a voter ID law that also makes voting day a national holiday. That's a grown up method to compromise and prove you have a pair and want something for legitimate reason. Anything shy of a meaningful compromise is a partisan attempt to limit the voter turn out.
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To Mr No One in particular when it amounts to the truth:
Your glib self-serving remarks with implied "facts" that no one buys are coming up empty:
After the 2012 election, a trivial piece of research by name turned up over 44,000 cases of voter fraud in NC and that was hardly a detailed search. Consider it a tip of the iceberg; it is actually quite in the realm of likelihood the entire 2012 election was rigged because voter fraud is not general, it is targeted to where it can do the most harm. Political experts agree that the margin of victory depends on the counted votes of no more than 4 million key voters. There is ample proof that it is quite possible to tilt the outcome with well-placed fraud, motor-voters in the case of NC, and all the other assorted methods of cheating that real ID methods would end. You need an ID to get welfare, you can get an ID to vote; the democrap argument is just a canard to make sure voter fraud continues.
For some entertaining fiction on voter fraud old and new: Watch the 1939 movie The Great McGinty and the next to latest episode of The Good Wife. A grand old Democrap tradition. [The movie is about how a bum goes from prolific voter for dead people in a setting clearly democrap majority [it would likely be something like Chicago] to Governor, and the TV show is literally about Cook County, Il.
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Feb 4, 2016
"A trivial piece of research" you do not cite and a 1939 movie. There is a hyperlink function. Barring that, you can use APA citation, MLA citation, etc. If you cannot do either, there is no reason to cite a study.
I assume you are not referring to the out-and-out theft of the 2000, 2004 and 2006 elections, as Palast documents?
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Load more (4) in reply to NoOneInParticular's post (It looks like the votes amounted to one or two extra votes per election and indicates a lack of communication between the group tallying absentee ballots and in-person votes. The photo ID would have p...)
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Really? When I was in the Navy, we "conveniently" deployed one month prior to the 2000 elections and I received my absentee ballot four days after the election (those same ballots Gore did not want to count). In 2008, I moved to Arizona from Nevada and registered to vote there but still received an absentee ballot from Arizona for the Presidential elections (no I did not cast the NV absentee one). In 2010, [Google it] Nevada saw a 50,000 person drop in population and yet sizeable increase in inactive voter registrations which were instrumental (along with the casino votes bussed to the polls) in re-electing Harry Reid. How many were "erroneously" sent ballots that should not have been and how many were named "Mickey Mouse"? There is documented proof that fraud exists and I have personally seen some of it.
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1 vote,
Apr 14, 2015
Thank you for your service.
Back to the topic: There are some people in particular that would complain and whine with megaphones if Republicans were the ones committing the fraud. Since the jokes are mainly: "The dead vote democrat" and "Democrats vote and vote often." In addition to the lack of Republican jokes of the same nature, it is safe to assume that fraud does occur and the party trying to allow felons and illegals the right to vote are not republicans.
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Feb 4, 2016
What documented proof? Even those pushing this issue most dishonestly can't talk about a rate of voter fraud that is anything above non-existent. Contrast that with the very real reality of stolen votes and barriers to voting that Republicans have pushed forward and there is simply no debate. When even Colin Powell is not on your side, I think it may be time to re-evaluate.
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I had an aunt that was not able to get an ID in NC when the state tried to require one for a bank account. She was born in 1918 in WV. I think at home out in the country. She never married or got a drivers license. Her biggest problem was her name was Marguerete which can be spelled a dozen different ways. She worked her entire adult life and was an officer for a small business. Most of her life she lived in a big city in NC.
I would have been interesting for someone that voted in most elections with poll workers she had gone to church with for decades would now say she could not vote. Getting the id to vote may be easier now then in the late 90s but it is wrong to exclude someone that can be legal in every other way.
I realize her problem was when and where she was born but it is up to the states to make it easy especially for old people that are known in their home community. Especially if they have voted for years. Not against the ID but no American should be kept from getting one free.
I would disagree with ids slowing things down. When I voted a few weeks ago giving the poll worker my drivers license so she could compare the address to the voting roll instead of asking a lot of question
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We use voter ID here in Ohio and it does NOT show things at the polls.
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You really can't say voter fraud is almost non-existent because we don't ID people so how do you know if they can or cannot vote without asking them? On top of that we have proof that some people who aren't suppose to vote have voted. We've seen cases where an illegal alien ran for office and had voted in the past, we also have a study from New York where DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials. The agents had assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote.
In my state there is no voter registration, you show up with an ID and vote simple.
What about the poor who can't afford an ID you say, well, you need an ID to apply for food stamps, to open a bank account to apply for welfare and to Rent/buy a house. So either the poor aren't doing any of those things or they already have the proper ID.
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