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75
4 votes
Apr 14, 2015

I don't like the argument that voter fraud is so infrequent that we don't need checks to ensure the security of the process. If we don't currently have checks in place, doesn't it stand to reason that we possible don't see a lot of fraud because we don't have a good mechanism to detect it.

Voter fraud disenfranchises voters more than having to prove your identity ever would. As long as there is a mechanism in place to have free/low cost mechanisms for confirming identity I don't see the harm in requiring an ID. I don't buy the idea that it would be a hindrance to voting any more than our current registration process. In fact, I'd prefer that voting required some form of commitment to the process. In my opinion the small number of people voting is not the problem, but rather the small number of INFORMED people voting is.

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75
4 votes
Apr 14, 2015

We must show photo ID to purchase tobacco and alcohol. We must have a photo ID to operate a motor vehicle. We must show a photo ID to use our welfare benefits. So why the big hoorah about showing ID to cast a ballot? Unless (say it softly) that would deter the illegal alien and the dead from voting for the Dimocrats.

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50
4 votes
Apr 14, 2015

In Sweden, a Photo ID is not needed. All that is needed is that you have your voters paper, which is sent to you by post.

Voting fraud in Sweden has typically been cases in which SAP party members have helped typically elderly people to vote, which you are not allowed to do, as you can then influence the voting.

That somebody is voting with somebody else voter paper is quite unusual, and the effects of that seem to be lower than straight miscounting, although it is of course hard to know for sure.

So no, a Photo ID should not be required, it's not necessary.

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8 votes
Apr 14, 2015

Voter fraud is almost non-existent and typically involves republicans. ID laws are designed to reduce turn out in various democrat leaning demographics, this has been openly admitted to by the republicans that helped push for it in the recent election cycles. Meanwhile, the ID would slow things down at the polls, reduce turn out and still not prevent any fraud (fake IDs already exist, ask teenagers).

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4 votes,
Apr 14, 2015

Really? When I was in the Navy, we "conveniently" deployed one month prior to the 2000 elections and I received my absentee ballot four days after the election (those same ballots Gore did not want to count). In 2008, I moved to Arizona from Nevada and registered to vote there but still received an absentee ballot from Arizona for the Presidential elections (no I did not cast the NV absentee one). In 2010, [Google it] Nevada saw a 50,000 person drop in population and yet sizeable increase in inactive voter registrations which were instrumental (along with the casino votes bussed to the polls) in re-electing Harry Reid. How many were "erroneously" sent ballots that should not have been and how many were named "Mickey Mouse"? There is documented proof that fraud exists and I have personally seen some of it.

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100
1 vote,
Apr 14, 2015

Thank you for your service.

Back to the topic: There are some people in particular that would complain and whine with megaphones if Republicans were the ones committing the fraud. Since the jokes are mainly: "The dead vote democrat" and "Democrats vote and vote often." In addition to the lack of Republican jokes of the same nature, it is safe to assume that fraud does occur and the party trying to allow felons and illegals the right to vote are not republicans.

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2 votes,
Apr 14, 2015

I believe that voter fraud is NOT "almost non-existent" and it is NOT exclusively republican. If it truly did involve republicans then that is what the news media would talk about all the time. Take the Obama supporter in Ohio that admitted that she voted for Obama 6 times. Yeah the media talked about it but, they have never followed up on the story.

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2 votes,
Apr 14, 2015

Why follow up on a story about 6 votes when the gap in the state wasn't small enough to warrant a recount? You would have to run the story as "well this happened and had no negative effect on the outcome" and that isn't what someone wanting to score a win for voter ID laws would want to have to write.

Googling for voter fraud turns up stories mostly about petition fraud to get people on ballots as opposed to election issues regarding actual votes being cast. It also turns up various investigations that end up saying voter fraud at time of elections is very minimal and typically involves people who believe their voting rights were intact but for various reasons were not (thus these people weren't overtly and specifically committing a crime with the intent to defraud an election, they were merely misinformed of their voting status).

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1 vote,
Apr 14, 2015

I had an aunt that was not able to get an ID in NC when the state tried to require one for a bank account. She was born in 1918 in WV. I think at home out in the country. She never married or got a drivers license. Her biggest problem was her name was Marguerete which can be spelled a dozen different ways. She worked her entire adult life and was an officer for a small business. Most of her life she lived in a big city in NC.
I would have been interesting for someone that voted in most elections with poll workers she had gone to church with for decades would now say she could not vote. Getting the id to vote may be easier now then in the late 90s but it is wrong to exclude someone that can be legal in every other way.

I realize her problem was when and where she was born but it is up to the states to make it easy especially for old people that are known in their home community. Especially if they have voted for years. Not against the ID but no American should be kept from getting one free.

I would disagree with ids slowing things down. When I voted a few weeks ago giving the poll worker my drivers license so she could compare the address to the voting roll instead of asking a lot of question

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0 votes,
Apr 14, 2015

You really can't say voter fraud is almost non-existent because we don't ID people so how do you know if they can or cannot vote without asking them? On top of that we have proof that some people who aren't suppose to vote have voted. We've seen cases where an illegal alien ran for office and had voted in the past, we also have a study from New York where DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials. The agents had assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote.

In my state there is no voter registration, you show up with an ID and vote simple.

What about the poor who can't afford an ID you say, well, you need an ID to apply for food stamps, to open a bank account to apply for welfare and to Rent/buy a house. So either the poor aren't doing any of those things or they already have the proper ID.

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Feb 4, 2016

No.

Voter fraud is close to non-existent. Even the most aggressive Republicans pushing this issue routinely concede this. This is not a matter of partisanship.Non-partisan researchers simply do not find any evidence of voter fraud.

In contrast, a variety of factors have cost Democrats whole elections. I suggest one review Greg Palast's great work on the 2006 election, the illegal disenfranchisement of felons in Florida that gave Bush the election in 2000, "challenges" and other illegal techniques used to win the election for Bush in 2004, and so forth. Voter fraud is not the problem: Government fraud is.

Restricting voting overwhelmingly harms the poor and the black and brown. No wonder it is being pushed by overwhelmingly white, rich people.

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Apr 30, 2015

Whatever. I live in Oregon. Everybody gets registered when they apply for a drivers license. If you don't drive you can still register. Guess what? Oregon mails every registered voter a ballot. Have NO CLUE how requiring a photo ID will do ANYTHING to reduce voter fraud. Do know the only person arrested for voter fraud was a registered REPUBLICAN working at the election commission counting votes. She was caught filling in votes on any issue voters did not vote on.

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0
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Oct 13, 2015

Requiring voter photo IDs is not a terrible idea. It is the timetable and method for imposing such a requirement that is the issue. There is also the issue as to whether it should be controlled by the states or Federal government. Some states do not have a very good record on upholding the right of every citizen to vote.

The goal should be both to verify voter eligibility and insure that every citizen that wants to vote can readily do so. Some elderly, physically challenged, and poor citizens have been voting for decades by meeting the requirements now in existence. To reasonably institute photo voter IDs without imposing a burden on eligible voters, it should be done over at least an eight year span after the next presidential election to insure that legislation about requirements is drafted fairly and capable of being enforced, and that no voter is denied the right to vote in the process. With Congress the way it is, it might take four years or mote just to draft the legislation and bring it to a vote.

We are talking the fundamental right of every citizen to vote - no small matter. Our nation has existed for 200 years without such a requirement. What is the rush?

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