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May 19

Hillary is a evil women who is power hungry, she don't care about Americans, she is the reason those Military men got killed, how many others died cause of her

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May 24

If you'd paid attention to the multiple Republican-led investigations into Benghazi, you'd know that they were completely unable to attribute any fault to Clinton. Nevertheless, she took responsibility anyway, because that's the type of person she is.

Out of curiosity, what would you have done differently in regards to Benghazi (assuming you actually knew of the situation, which Clinton didn't)? Double the gaurd? Triple it? Keep in mind that they were attacked by over 100 assailants. Any realistic number of soldiers you assign to protect one person would be insufficient against those odds, especially when taken by surprise. If you'd added 15 more bodygaurds, you would have 15 more dead Americans.

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May 31

She did lie about the attack, claiming that it was the result of the video, when she knew it wasn't. We know that on Sept. 12, Clinton called the Egyptian Prime Minister “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest.” Yet on Sept. 13 Clinton said "...Unfortunately, however, over the last 24 hours, we have also seen violence spread elsewhere. Some seek to justify this behavior as a response to inflammatory, despicable material posted on the Internet..."

It's one the big reasons she didn't get elected, people knew you couldn't trust what she said. Then add on the whole e-mail scandal, where she went from no classified material, to material that wasn't classified at the time it was sent. And add on to that she deleted e-mails, and we were to trust her that none was related to her job at the government.

Many in the public, given the Clinton's past history, saw it as another one rule for us, another for everyone else.

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Jun 1

I completely understand why Clinton was considered untrustworthy, and I don't dispute the fact that she lied about Benghazi. I do, however, dispute the people who claim that she murdered or is otherwise directly responsible for the deaths of those involved. I also agree with the FBI's assessment that Clinton's actions in regards to her emails was foolish, but I dispute the people that pretend to know more than the FBI and insist she should go to jail.

And of course, I don't dispute the fact that she just feels untrustworthy. In an election that was all about the anti-establishment making the headlines on both sides, she's about as establishment as you can get.

But what I find somewhat ironic is that Trump (a person whose comments are mostly some degree of "false" on Politifact, and a person who regularly contradicts himself day-to-day) was thought of as "telling it like it is" while Clinton (a person whose comments are mostly some degree of "true" on Politifact, and whose position inconsistencies are mostly over the course of years, not weeks) was considered slimy. I certainly understand, from purely an image perspective, why these reputations developed, but still, ironic nonetheless.

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Jun 3

While she was at the State Department, they did not send more security, that was requested but they also reduce security in Libya. d to honor repeated requests for additional security, but instead actually reduced security in Libya. Now we don't know why this happened, or if Hillary had anything to do with it, but as head of the state department the blame is her's. You can delegate authority not responsibility. Now as far as saying she murdered the people, while I feel she was at fault for not sending additional security after all the people on the ground, despite what intelligence the state department may have had, felt the need for additional security and she should have erred on the side of caution, but not murder.

"...but I dispute the people that pretend to know more than the FBI and insist she should go to jail."

But the thing is people have been sent to jail for doing far less then Hillary did, on top of that she gave all her e-mails to people who didn't have security clearance. (her lawyers). Now even IF her lawyers had clearance she still couldn't have shared e-mail with them as they had no need to know. Given that some of the e-mail were properly marked, she should have been charged and if convicted sent to jail.

On one had you have a politician who is very good at giving non-answer answer and on the other you have a businessman who tends to speak his mind. So I'm not surprised that Trump says things that aren't true or not supported by the facts. Now I'm not saying Trump was the best choice for president, but given a choice between Hillary and Trump, it was easy to see that Trump would win. Yes I know the polls were saying the Hillary was a shoe in, but when I looked around I saw Trump had much more ground support that Hillary did. But then again I live in the mid-west where NAFTA really hit hard, where Hillary's stand on coal, etc rang as, "Shut up WE know what best for YOU." And people saw the press as an arm of elect Hillary for president. So the distrust of the press went way up. And people are still point to that today, with the way the press is covering Trump vs the way they covered Obama. But that's a whole another discussion.

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Jun 3

"But the thing is people have been sent to jail for doing far less"

The problem is you're making a judgment without all the information. My guess is that you didn't read every single one of the emails, you haven't read the law, you aren't intimately familiar with all the precedent, you didn't have an entire team of professional investigators on the case, and, most importantly, you didn't have information available to the public. The FBI had all that. I simply can't trust an everyday person on whether or not she should've been convicted over the personnel at the very top levels of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. And unless you can show me that you know better than them, then that's not going to change. (That's not meant to be an insult to your intelligence; I don't know better than them either).

"when I looked around I saw Trump had much more ground support that Hillary did."

In the end Cilnton did win the popular vote by a significant margin, but I think you're right in the regard that Trump's supporters were far more passionate about Trump than Clinton supporters were about Clinton. I suspect that they had much greater voter turnout for exactly that reason.

""Shut up WE know what best for YOU.""

That's by far the biggest problem with the Democratic party as a whole. Utter condescension towards those who are hurting. That deplorable comment that slipped out was, I think, quite representative of our mindsets as Democrats as a whole. Though the surveys did indicate that, in fact, about half of Trump supporters were homophobic/racist/islamophobic in some way, liberals used that as an excuse to say "well they must just be terrible people and their opinions don't have a place in our vision of a progressive society." Liberals stopped acknowledging conservatives as human beings and blanket-labeling them only as one negative trait. Let's not forget that a good portion of Trump supporters voted for Obama. The Democratic party abandoned them, and, rightfully, they felt betrayed. I think that support for Trump wasn't a logical choice (even though Clinton's policies wouldn't have helped them much, Trump's were predicted to cause immense harm to their communities, which we can see partially from his healthcare plan that is expected to cause massive damage mostly to his own base), but one made out of the anger at that betrayal, and I can completely understand and empathize with that. Most liberals, I think, can't.

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Jun 3

"My guess is that you didn't read every single one of the emails, you haven't read the law,..

The emails that broke the law are still classified, thus I couldn't read them, and if I had I'd have broken the law. Yes I've read the law

(18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information) "Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information" That section alone covers her lawyers, that means a fine or up to 10 years or both.

(18 U.S. Code § 793)

"Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, ....(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,.."

Again fine or 10 years or both.

(Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration)

“Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system.”

And maybe FOIA

"In the end Cilnton did win the popular vote by a significant margin, .."

True, but the popular vote doesn't matter, Hillary and the Democratic party basically ignored the middle of the country, They hit the big population centers and had they taken Texas and Florida, they would have won. In two different states, my and my mom's Trump signs outnumber Hillary signs at least 10 to 1. so he had a lot of support from the middle of the US.

At one time the Democratic party was the party of the common man, if you listen to speeches of JFK, he sounds more like the Republican today and nothing like a Democratic.

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Sep 27

Hillary Clinton fought for nearly universal health care, WAY back in the 1990's. America reached an all time high in average life expectancy, under Obama. Hillary would have improved the situation.

By contrast, Donald Trump wants America to be the only democracy to LOSE the title "advanced democracy", by drastically lowering America's average life expectancy, in accordance with the wishes of the 'pro-life' lobby.

Bill O'Reilly reported, after Congress's final Benghazi hearing, that he did not blame Hillary Clinton for the deaths in Libya. He reported that Congress found that the Secretary of Defense ordered US assets to act, but his order was not carried out. O'Reilly said the issue was why was there no investigation of THAT?

See also: politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hi...ump-truth-o-met/

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