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Feb 4, 2016

Hillary Clinton.

No person alive should vote for Donald Trump.

Those on the right should reject him for his lack of conviction, his narcissism, his worship of mammon, his dishonesty, the fact that his bigotry will harm his party, his open commitment to violating NAFTA and other treaties that the U.S. signed in good faith making him an open opponent of our Constitution, his libertine past, his lack of any religious credentials whatsoever despite proclaiming his faith, his casual anti-Semitism (on display when he talked to a group of Jews and talked about how the people in the room clearly all knew how to negotiate well), and his total willingness to say or advocate anything that is popular. The very fact that he initiated the birther nonsense should disqualify him from anyone's vote. Voting for no one would be preferable: Such a man should not be representing us internationally or have his finger on the button.

Those on the left, of course, should reject him for being a racist, sexist, classist pig.

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Oct 13, 2016

I have a question to you. Would you rather have someone who is as racist and sexist as millions (billions?) of people around the world as president, or would you rather have someone who tells a lie every single breath, who tells their honest opinions only behind closed doors and someone who honestly doesn't care about anyone except theirself? Would you rather choose a moderate racist or someone who is nothing but fake?

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Oct 13, 2016

So that's one option to choose from; now describe the other presidential candidate please.

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Oct 13, 2016

Funny like we're both human beings, yet we see things so differently. (I assume you actually know a thing or two about this election from multiple sources, like I do)

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Oct 16, 2016

What I was trying to convey in a somewhat cryptic manner, is my problem with this creation of a clear dichotomy where the voter may choose for the "lesser" evil (eg. either The Liar or The Bigot).

I'm not entirely convinced that this dichotomy is correct, nor whether the appropriate weight is being assigned to the faults of either option (I've become increasingly convinced of Trump's bigotry, though). The recurring rhetoric (especially in the Trump fanbase) has evaporated to: "X may have been guilty of 1, but at the same time Y has performed 2; to which of course we can all agree that this is way worse".

So not only are people "left" with the option between "two horrible persons" (because the world was magically fresh out of two decent people to choose between); people are being told/concinved that lying is worse than, for example, sexual harassment - or the other way around (depending on your sources). So it's not even a question anymore whether someone is lying in the first place; more about which person according to you has a higher right to get away with their flaws and receive overarching responsibility in return (which sounds a lot like paying for a winning lotery ticket and then contemplating for a year whether to hand it over to either person A or B <- since person B is more relatable this increases the chance that they will buy you a beer).

To repeat your question: would I rather have someone who is as racist and sexist as millions (billions?) of people around the world as president, or would I rather have someone who tells a lie every single breath, who tells their honest opinions only behind closed doors and someone who honestly doesn't care about anyone except theirself? My answer: I want two years of my life back.

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Oct 17, 2016

The lesser evil argument is being used by Trump supporters only to show Clinton fanbase they lose even using their own arguments. Believe me it's not a choice of lesser evil to me. It's a choice between very good and absolutely terrible. That's why it's so easy. It's a choice between the most corrupt politician in American history with a charisma of a scripted robot and a genius businessman who generates so many people and so much love at his rallies it's never been done before. To put it very shortly. You either see it or you don't and that's what I was wondering about.

And it's not "depending on your sources". It's depending either on your ignorance or your intelligence and ability to digest information. Information of any kind, including subliminal information like gestures.

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Oct 18, 2016

So it doesn't "depend on your sources" as long as they are "multiple" (as in: plural), you say?

Gestures and charisma (and likeability in general) mean less to me as a voter than the actual course the politician in question announces to take, let alone whether they might get things done. What do I care how "robotic" one contender is compared to their "likeable" counterpart, when my political views conflict with the latter one? And what would withhold Donald Trump to connect with an audience like he's doing now, even after he loses? Or is it a condition for him to become President so he will proceed reaching out to people? Are you implying that while Hillary Clinton was busy "corrupting" everything, Trump was busy saving the planet? Or are you saying that he should be President because "you like him better"?

You (and many others) make it sound like "because" choice A is "the most corrupt politician in American history" the other must be faultless, then (so what happened to the relatable sexist/racist you mentioned earlier). I don't understand how you are downplaying whatever dirt they dig up against "the genius" choice B, and then expect me to take you seriously.

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Oct 14, 2016

I'd rather have the liar than the over bigot who dehumanizes the people he's elected for. Luckily, your dilemma is incredibly ill-formed and wrong. In fact, Donald Trump is not only a bigot, but a narcissist, a sexual assailant, and infinitely worse of a serial liar than Hillary Clinton. I recognize that many people refuse to hear this, but it's just true. Politifact rated their statements over time. Clinton certainly lies. Trump lies in every single speech, as well as engaging in open demagoguery and bullying. His national political prominence came about because of a lie: the birtherist conspiracy that he fought far longer than anyone else. That is a lie, a lie he told over and over again for years, a lie composed of multiple smaller fractal lies.

The fact that you think that a "moderate racist" is something so banal as to be a personality quirk compared to being "fake" rather than, say, a moral abrogation of infinite depth, is frankly grotesque. You not taking racism seriously is why people like Trump have even a chance in America.

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Apr 5, 2016

And the same could be said about Hillary Clinton, she is a compulsive liar, has broken many laws, she may, note may, have violated the Constitution, she has stated that she is for women's and that they should report sexual assaults, unless of course it's against bill, or some other high ranking democrats. Not that I support Donald Trump, Trump towers, bankrupt, Trump Taj Mahal bankrupt, Trump Plaza Hotel bankrupt, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts bankrupt, Trump Entertainment Resorts bankrupt, so he's good at keeping his money out of the picture while spending badly everyone else's. Personally I'm thinking of voting for my cat, Fred.

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
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Apr 5, 2016

Just today, Politifact rated what Hillary says in general as true or mostly true. My read is that she's mostly honest and accurate about things like what studies she cites and what arguments she makes, but in that objective metric, she is far more honest than Trump (and apparently slightly more honest than Sanders, though frankly that seems fairly absurd to me).

Still, yes, she lies constantly to get power, she got people to effectively launder money through state Democratic parties to get her money even prior to the primary, and most of the comments she has made about Bernie are laughably false.

I am of course voting Sanders and, living in California, voting Green per usual if she wins the nomination. But if you write-in your cat, I will give you solidarity: fine choice given the options.

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User voted Donald Trump.
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Apr 5, 2016

I should start a Fred for president campaign, he's never lied, he's never broken a promise, he's always done his job. So why not Fred for president?

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
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Oct 14, 2016

First of all, I have broken promises and lied. I'm not perfect. I'm just not a serial liar, a narcissist and a sexual assailant.

Second of all, the reason that I am decent or an honestly good person is exactly why I likely won't ever run for President: I refuse to compromise myself in ways that may be necessary to do so.

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User voted Donald Trump.
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Oct 15, 2016

Personally, I don't promise anything unless I intend to keep it and will do everything in my power to keep any promise I make, no matter what. I can count on one hand the number of promises I've broken, and those were beyond my control to keep. I don't lie, so don't ask me how you look unless you want the truth, or I just won't say anything.

I KNOW I wouldn't make a good politician, I would tell you where to go and how to get there.

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