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Feb 4, 2016

Hillary Clinton.

No person alive should vote for Donald Trump.

Those on the right should reject him for his lack of conviction, his narcissism, his worship of mammon, his dishonesty, the fact that his bigotry will harm his party, his open commitment to violating NAFTA and other treaties that the U.S. signed in good faith making him an open opponent of our Constitution, his libertine past, his lack of any religious credentials whatsoever despite proclaiming his faith, his casual anti-Semitism (on display when he talked to a group of Jews and talked about how the people in the room clearly all knew how to negotiate well), and his total willingness to say or advocate anything that is popular. The very fact that he initiated the birther nonsense should disqualify him from anyone's vote. Voting for no one would be preferable: Such a man should not be representing us internationally or have his finger on the button.

Those on the left, of course, should reject him for being a racist, sexist, classist pig.

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Oct 13, 2016

I have a question to you. Would you rather have someone who is as racist and sexist as millions (billions?) of people around the world as president, or would you rather have someone who tells a lie every single breath, who tells their honest opinions only behind closed doors and someone who honestly doesn't care about anyone except theirself? Would you rather choose a moderate racist or someone who is nothing but fake?

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
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Oct 14, 2016

I'd rather have the liar than the over bigot who dehumanizes the people he's elected for. Luckily, your dilemma is incredibly ill-formed and wrong. In fact, Donald Trump is not only a bigot, but a narcissist, a sexual assailant, and infinitely worse of a serial liar than Hillary Clinton. I recognize that many people refuse to hear this, but it's just true. Politifact rated their statements over time. Clinton certainly lies. Trump lies in every single speech, as well as engaging in open demagoguery and bullying. His national political prominence came about because of a lie: the birtherist conspiracy that he fought far longer than anyone else. That is a lie, a lie he told over and over again for years, a lie composed of multiple smaller fractal lies.

The fact that you think that a "moderate racist" is something so banal as to be a personality quirk compared to being "fake" rather than, say, a moral abrogation of infinite depth, is frankly grotesque. You not taking racism seriously is why people like Trump have even a chance in America.

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Oct 16, 2016

You're so full of mendacity. You start your post with "No person alive should vote for Donald Trump." and then you call other people bigots. You call Trump a "sexual assailant", yet you vote for Clinton who along with her husband did so much deeply evil things towards women that Trump couldn't even imagine doing. It's pathetic how you don't even understand what a lie is. How you think a lie is equal to a lie. How you think you can count two people's lies and do a math equation to get who is the bigger liar. You attack Trump on demagoguery and bullying yet you ignore how much the Clinton's campaign is bullying Trump in their manipulative lying ads they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on.

I would never use the phrase "frankly grotesque", but you know what's scary? That there are people like you who think the birther lie(it wasn't even a lie, Trump was just demanding answer) is a bigger lie than let's say lying about your view on TPP. It's scary that there are people who would choose someone who would sell their country's interest for personal interest over a guy who is a "sexist".

And you don't even know what racism is and when it's a problem. Maybe because you're a racist? Maybe your thoughts are sometimes so ugly that you're so ashamed of yourself so you try to make your words look like you're the least racist person on earth?

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
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Oct 16, 2016

Yes, Mr. Mike, a large portion of Trump supporters are overtly bigoted: they openly admit that they think blacks or other groups are inferior, many are on the alt-right, and many think Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves. Many of their positions require holding a very deep level of contempt and a very low estimation of the humanity and worth of most everyone who isn't a white Christian male.

What's remarkable is that you call me mendacious for calling others bigots, whereas the core of the Trump campaign is in calling millions of people drug dealers, rapists, terrorists, people who deserve torture even if they don't have any information about a terror plot, etc. Why is it not acceptable for me to assess the conduct of those with an overt opinion but it's acceptable for Trump supporters to assess the honesty of Clinton, the conduct of Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz, etc.? Your response here indicates the complete cowardice that is so common associated with the Trump psychology, and indeed the entire "anti-PC culture" nonsense: these people want to be able to make hideous accusations then be free of accusations leveled at them.

Hillary Clinton did not directly assault anyone, Mr. Mike. She sure as heck didn't brag about it. Trump not only clearly assaulted his wife, but he bragged about sexual assault, and now we have clear evidence that he assaulted many others. And unlike Clinton, I have no estimation that Trump would be the kind of person who would actually push through legislation that would protect victims of rape and harassment. His normalization of this kind of rhetoric and behavior is especially toxic.

It's especially pathetic that you don't understand that even Trump's supporters know he's lying. He will say he will build a wall and they say that they know he probably won't but as long as he secures the border that's fine. Trump evidently knew nothing about the nuclear triad and yet instead of asking what it was just spun BS for minutes: that's a lie. Trump repeated the false claim that Hillary laughed at a rape victim: that's a lie. Trump has repeated outright lies about criminology, immigration, and dozens of issues. He lied about Muslims cheering 9/11. His list of lies, serious lies that do everything from empowering bigots to promoting misinformation that leads his side to literally believe that a revolution would be justified if Hillary wins, is endless. To pretend that voting for Trump is a stand against dishonesty is to admit that you both don't know what dishonesty is and don't care that much about it. It's grotesque. If you dislike liars, vote Johnson or Stein.

Moreover, do you really believe a word you're saying? If someone uttered something false once unwittingly, would that be by your logic exactly comparable to someone who only has ever said one true thing? You can take a random sampling of Trump and Clinton's statements and you can count material falsehoods. Why is that unreasonable? Why is unreasonable to try to figure out who is more dishonest? If that math was going your direction, you'd be using it. It isn't so you retreat to a senseless position.

Yes, Hillary Clinton's two-faced conduct on TPP is reprehensible. So is Trump's pretense that he somehow cares about these issues when his cheap clothes are made in China. Please. The hypocrisy is on both sides, but the difference is that Clinton's policies are sane and Trump's are catastrophic. Even right-wing economists and scholars know that Trump is dangerous.

Saying that a person can't adjudicate your case merely because of their race and nationality is racist, sir. Saying that other sub-groups didn't contribute as much as whites is racist (that's Steve King). Saying that the majority of Mexican immigrants are not decent and are implicitly criminal is racist. You can't even offer an example of something Trump said that indicates a consciousness of race: you just have to launch personal attacks, saying "YOU'RE the actual racist!" No, I'm actually not, and your inability to defend the candidate you are shilling for shows that you don't care about racism at the very least.

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Oct 13, 2016

So that's one option to choose from; now describe the other presidential candidate please.

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Oct 13, 2016

Funny like we're both human beings, yet we see things so differently. (I assume you actually know a thing or two about this election from multiple sources, like I do)

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Oct 16, 2016

What I was trying to convey in a somewhat cryptic manner, is my problem with this creation of a clear dichotomy where the voter may choose for the "lesser" evil (eg. either The Liar or The Bigot).

I'm not entirely convinced that this dichotomy is correct, nor whether the appropriate weight is being assigned to the faults of either option (I've become increasingly convinced of Trump's bigotry, though). The recurring rhetoric (especially in the Trump fanbase) has evaporated to: "X may have been guilty of 1, but at the same time Y has performed 2; to which of course we can all agree that this is way worse".

So not only are people "left" with the option between "two horrible persons" (because the world was magically fresh out of two decent people to choose between); people are being told/concinved that lying is worse than, for example, sexual harassment - or the other way around (depending on your sources). So it's not even a question anymore whether someone is lying in the first place; more about which person according to you has a higher right to get away with their flaws and receive overarching responsibility in return (which sounds a lot like paying for a winning lotery ticket and then contemplating for a year whether to hand it over to either person A or B <- since person B is more relatable this increases the chance that they will buy you a beer).

To repeat your question: would I rather have someone who is as racist and sexist as millions (billions?) of people around the world as president, or would I rather have someone who tells a lie every single breath, who tells their honest opinions only behind closed doors and someone who honestly doesn't care about anyone except theirself? My answer: I want two years of my life back.

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User voted Donald Trump.
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Apr 5, 2016

And the same could be said about Hillary Clinton, she is a compulsive liar, has broken many laws, she may, note may, have violated the Constitution, she has stated that she is for women's and that they should report sexual assaults, unless of course it's against bill, or some other high ranking democrats. Not that I support Donald Trump, Trump towers, bankrupt, Trump Taj Mahal bankrupt, Trump Plaza Hotel bankrupt, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts bankrupt, Trump Entertainment Resorts bankrupt, so he's good at keeping his money out of the picture while spending badly everyone else's. Personally I'm thinking of voting for my cat, Fred.

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
2 votes,
Apr 5, 2016

Just today, Politifact rated what Hillary says in general as true or mostly true. My read is that she's mostly honest and accurate about things like what studies she cites and what arguments she makes, but in that objective metric, she is far more honest than Trump (and apparently slightly more honest than Sanders, though frankly that seems fairly absurd to me).

Still, yes, she lies constantly to get power, she got people to effectively launder money through state Democratic parties to get her money even prior to the primary, and most of the comments she has made about Bernie are laughably false.

I am of course voting Sanders and, living in California, voting Green per usual if she wins the nomination. But if you write-in your cat, I will give you solidarity: fine choice given the options.

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User voted Donald Trump.
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Apr 5, 2016

I should start a Fred for president campaign, he's never lied, he's never broken a promise, he's always done his job. So why not Fred for president?

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User voted Hillary Clinton.
2 votes,
Oct 14, 2016

First of all, I have broken promises and lied. I'm not perfect. I'm just not a serial liar, a narcissist and a sexual assailant.

Second of all, the reason that I am decent or an honestly good person is exactly why I likely won't ever run for President: I refuse to compromise myself in ways that may be necessary to do so.

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User voted Donald Trump.
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Oct 15, 2016

Personally, I don't promise anything unless I intend to keep it and will do everything in my power to keep any promise I make, no matter what. I can count on one hand the number of promises I've broken, and those were beyond my control to keep. I don't lie, so don't ask me how you look unless you want the truth, or I just won't say anything.

I KNOW I wouldn't make a good politician, I would tell you where to go and how to get there.

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