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Dec 2, 2015

I believe either you are mistaken or i haven't understood you well. Let's see which is which.
First, let's define what altering reality means. Am i altering reality by dropping a coin from my window? I'd say so. Am i altering reality by thinking very hard about a person i love/hate? I'd say not. Am i altering reality by acting on my thoughts and, say, counting to five out loud because i'm suddenly afraid i might have lost my voice forever? I'd say yes. Am i altering reality by going back in time and killing my best friend's grandfather? Most people would argue that i am.

The basic premise seems to be that while reality can't be proven to be true for lack of a real falsehood to compare it to, we can alter it in a way that other people can perceive, understand and measure to varying degrees. In other words, reality is at least a shared illusion, and at most the only field we humans have to ourselves.

Having defined reality (if you have a better definition that makes the following definition invalid or absurd, please share it), we can go back to the random questions asked earlier about what is "altering" reality. Simply put, i see altering reality as making a change on it which can be (but isn't necessarily) measured by others.

Now, what is depression? I believe OP said it well. Depression is a disorder which changes the way people see the world. In other words, depression changes our measurement of reality, not reality itself. From this point of view, i'd say no, depression can't actually change reality.

But this conclusion alone is quite naive, in that we are guided by our impulses to change reality, and depression attacks said impulses in a way that makes them behave erratically, often towards impulses of destructiveness. As such, depression alters the beings who alter reality, which is enough grounds to bring back again the question of whether it should be considered a reality-altering agent or not.

Let's try a third view. Do dreams alter reality? The oniric plane is often considered an alternate one from reality, yet we haven't found a (reliable) way to share it yet. Without the peer review of sorts that reality constantly undergoes, we can't call it true or real, but given that it gives us experiences that often leak in our waking world, we can't call it non-existent either. Lots of artistic movements have used their dreams as inspiration for real-life works, which should be enough justification to say that yes, dreams alter reality. Going with that logic, we have demonstrated that a non-true or unreal thing has altered reality, and knowing that the effects of depression are at least as strong if not stronger that the memories/emotions of a dream in our conscious self, we should be able to conclude that depression does alter reality, through us.

(Though if the question asked whether depression is an independent agent that can alter reality on its own, the answer is most likely no)

Finally, this grants us an additional point of view with which to follow up this discovery. If we claim that mental states such as depression have the power to alter reality, then other, smaller things like bodily itches or misrememberances can also do so. If that is so, then where do we draw the line? But i digress, the titular question i have already answered. I'd love to see some opposite points of view.

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Dec 6, 2015

Teku, thank you for your opinion. I believe you have somewhat misunderstood, and that may have to do with honest semantic differences. In the second paragraph I noted that the question was under the category of “philosophy” and I addressed it as such. For the purposes of discourse, once we all agree on the assumption that we are living in a real, physical world, we may acknowledge that people see this world differently, though it is the same world.

You make the following statement, and I agree with it:
“Now, what is depression? I believe OP said it well. Depression is a disorder which changes the way people see the world.” I consider that statement the same as “Depression changes our perception of reality.”

You then add “In other words, depression changes our measurement of reality. . . .” and I agree with that.

But you continue after saying depression changes our measurement of reality bur “not reality itself. From this point of view, i'd say no, depression can't actually change reality.”

Our differences may hinge on how we interpret “changing reality.” Depression cannot change the warmth of a bright, sunny day, but it can change a person’s response to it, and that response can change a person’s actions. Instead of engaging with others outdoors or exercising, someone suffering from depression may choose to simply go home and do nothing, thereby contributing to the depression. In other words, depression changes a person’s behavior, and that behavior has a real effect in the real world. The point is, if a person’s perception of the world is tainted by depression, then the actions that follow have consequences in reality.

As another example, if a person is severely depressed, that person’s perception of their life may lead them to the conclusion that life is so bad, suicide is a real a alternative, and perhaps the only option to escape their pain. Should they end their life, their changed perception of the world has brought about real consequences.

However, with proper medical treatment, medication, and counseling the same person may soon reach the conclusion that life is worth living, even though the circumstances have not really changed. What has changed? Their perception, and the actions that follow.

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Dec 6, 2015

I agree with what you said. Indeed, maybe our differences stem from different interpretations of "changing reality". As i said earlier "Simply put, i see altering reality as making a change on it which can be (but isn't necessarily) measured by others."

However, later on i say "we should be able to conclude that depression does alter reality, through us.". I'm sort of agreeing on the same thing you think, but i'd say depression doesn't effects/alters reality as much as it affects/influences it. The difference between an influence and an action is that the influence is a specific kind of action in which we don't do, but make someone/something else do in our stead.

So, finally, repeating what i said earlier, i'd say that depression doesn't alters reality, but it infuences its doers. A matter of semantics, really.

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