Why the U.S. as a country continues to act under the same paradigm? Is this the government the people of the U.S. actually want because they continue to approve the representatives at the ballot box?

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Nov 1, 2015

People aren't unhappy with their elected representatives in Congress. They're only unhappy with *everyone else's* elected representatives. What this means, fundamentally, is that Americans simply aren't getting along together any more. The end result is probably going to be either civil war or a break-up of the union.

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Nov 1, 2015

I continue to hope that the citizens learn that the two party system is really one party of government and whomever gets in always wins. I doubt the civil war or break up will be allowed. Those people will be tank hammered worse than Waco before it even starts.

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Nov 1, 2015

There isn't that much the government can do to stop a break-up if state-level politicians start pushing for it strongly and different levels of government simply stop cooperating with each other. A federal take-over of state governments wouldn't go over well, and is probably illegal, and if martial law is declared, then we know things are really going south. It's unlikely the military would even enforce it. Countries don't continue to function and prosper when too many people lose faith in all the institutions.

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Nov 1, 2015

You are more of an optimist than I. they would roll tanks and drones the second a whisper is heard. The issue would not make it to a vote.

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Nov 1, 2015

Again, tanks and drones require servicemen to operate them (or mercenaries). Do you really think the US military would go against its own people? It's highly unlikely IMO. Also remember, many if not most of the servicemembers are probably from lower-class blue-collar roots, frequently in the southern states, the same areas which would be first to try secession.

Finally, the US military has not proven itself very capable of dealing with urban guerrilla warfare; add to that they'd be fighting their own relatives and friends, in their own hometowns, and it won't work out well for the federal government. They could try hiring a bunch of mercenaries, but where are they going to get enough to put down a massive insurrection (it'd become massive when they hired mercenaries)? Tanks aren't enough; if you want to keep the economy going, you've got to have boots on the ground and you have to prop up local governments. If the whole country's economy collapses, how do you think they're going to continue to pay and feed the army?

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Nov 1, 2015

they have gone against their own. brother against brother in the civil war. police kill daily. as do the fbi, cia and other agencies. History is littered with armies that have killed and enslaved their own people. Not an uncommon happening really. Our country likes to think that we are the exception to the rule but sometimes I wonder.

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Nov 1, 2015

Police aren't military, though they like to think of themselves as that. I could see a civil war, in fact, where military personnel rebel against the government and act directly against the police.

The civil war was a very different time; the Northern states were very industrialized and populated, and the army came from those states. Not so today. Now it's the "Rust Belt", the economy is based on finance, and probably doesn't contribute so much to the army.

The CIA, FBI, and other agencies do not have armies. FBI agents aren't going to become urban assault troops.

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Nov 1, 2015

The general population fears the unknown. Since the dawn of politics this has been true, and is no secret to those vying for positions of influence. When it comes time to vote most people do not research, I mean really research, the candidates. Voters rely on common advertisements, media, friends, political debates, etc... for background. And for those that do try to research there is an overwhelming amount of unverifiable information emanating from dubious sources so that one is left rather dazed with hardly enough time in the day to sort through it all for each candidate. Hardly a matter of circumstance or chance. In the end (or the voting booth, to be accurate), given a candidate that is familiar vs. a candidate that is not then the safe bet will almost always appear, even given a candidate's bad track record, to vote on familiarity. That is why campaigning works; why an exorbitant amount of cash is spent on campaigning; and why alternative parties with little campaign funds are excluded in debates.

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Nov 1, 2015

Simply, the average voter is ignorant of the issues, and the formats of campaigns don't generally allow constituents to grill candidates sufficiently. Questions from the audience in debates and town hall meetings are generally vetted, and politicians often skirt the question and give half-assed or indirect answers, with no ability for the questioner to follow up. This kind of format makes it nearly impossible to get an honest answer out of a politician.

Also, the average voter lacks the ability to understand the complexities of a party's platform. I'd argue more politicians lack this ability, too, since a platform should reflect the party's stance on very complex, very different topics, from economics to foreign policy to education and job creation. Parties have whole teams dedicated to developing each aspect of the platform; John Q. Public is expected to understand it on his own. Of course people will resort to "dumbed down" delivery via 30 second commercials and political pundits.

Ultimately, this leads to a system where the ignorant *feel* ignorant, and either don't participate because they don't understand, or don't participate because they feel they have no stake in the game. Those who *do* vote have a vested interest in keeping their incumbent entrenched, and those who feel oppositely about the incumbent feel powerless to make any kind of political change.

I'd also suggest there's the idea that money equals success in America. The candidate that amasses the greatest fortune in campaign donations is seen as the most successful, despite any misgivings and indiscretions they may have had. Character is nearly meaningless in American politics anymore, simply because people don't trust politicians. Since character is meaningless, what other criteria do people use to base their decisions? Given the ongoing worship of the dollar, that those who are rich are upheld as success stories (no matter who they had to step on and over to get there), as role models, as aspirational and inspirational figures, it's no wonder most politicians are millionaires with little character.

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Nov 1, 2015

My guess is that a lot of people don't vote but do participate in opinion polls.

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Nov 1, 2015

This does not absolve them. They must know how to change things, but do not want to

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Nov 1, 2015

Many are just too lazy to research the opinions of candidates & don't go out to vote because they really don't care unless it affects them directly. By then it is way too late!

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Nov 1, 2015

A combination of district accountability for federal responsibility(gerrymandering and pork barrel politics), a first past the post voting system(a vote for a third party candidate you prefer is against self interest), and a corrupt campaign finance system.

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Nov 1, 2015

my point is, this is all fixable if people would vote the person not the party. even if you vote strict party, put in a new guy from that party. we have to face facts, it is this screwed up because that is how we want it.

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Nov 1, 2015

Parties aside, with the current voting system, self interest dictates you vote for one of the two candidates most likely to be elected. Here's a video that explains this part of the problem better than I can: youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Back to parties: We have many many many politicians in Washington DC, why are there so few third party candidates ever elected? Because we divide the country into small geographical chunks, so that in order for a minority party to elect a candidate, a lot of them have to move into the same district. If your goal is to get rid of political parties, you'll have to let political minorities from more than one district cooperate to elect a representative.

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Nov 1, 2015

IMHO, this condition is brought about by the apathy engendered by the socialist/progressive regime, who will do or say whatever it takes to destroy individuality of the troll/zombies that have been created in our "educational" system...
IE-"cradle to grave" control. that is what we are allowing to be taught in our schools..not individual excellence, or thought.

Cold War Gunner

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