If California companies want to keep paying their CEO’s a hundred times better than their workers, they could face higher tax rates. A bill to impose higher tax rates on companies with excessively high CEO-to-worker pay ratios passed its first legislative hurdle, advancing out of a state Senate committee on a 5-2 vote. More: leginfo.ca.gov.

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Apr 19, 2015

I cannot say at this time if I think it is a good thing to impose, but I do say that it is a fair proposition.

  1. High salary / comp packages can be disbursed in such a way that just-taxation is tricky
  2. Such a ratio is indicative of significant profits (i.e. such salaries are global market-rate, not subjective)
  3. Corporations acting at this scale can be difficult to regulate or otherwise control, when their acts begin to exceed the history of legal contemplation.
These factors together frame the notion of a tax-based means of creating social good (balance).

Since these corporations are globally-impacting, their top-earners can domicile elsewhere, or can relocate their base of operations elsewhere... regardless of where top executives live.

Such a law cannot effectively be enacted without national or global transparency on changes in corporate structure, salaries, etc, that would happen after the effective-date of such legislation. At this time I would not be sure of the benefit of such legislation without also including such reporting / transparency mechanisms.

The responsibility of such reporting would fall to a California government office, since the corporate filings of those natures are already regulated by law under the SEC.

Also, this vote and discussion should link to the text of the bill, not to an opinion-piece article.

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2 votes,
Apr 19, 2015

State-supported capitalism? Hmmm. Sounds like that word that starts with "S" everyone keeps denying it is but consistently acts that way! Here's an idea: get government out of the way! THAT would result in everyone getting more of a "fair share" since the best way to "share the wealth" is to have a JOB to begin with!

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Apr 19, 2015

If you "get government" out of the way by for example, removing the minimum wage, what you would see is a drop in wages with a resulting increase in people that need government assistance to survive.

All of the 'get government out of the way' arguments are about increasing profits by ignoring moral, ethical, and / or environmental responsibility because it costs money. These increased profits go to a select few at a corporation and would not help the economy at all because the money doesn't get into the hands of people who will spend it.

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0 votes,
Jul 24, 2015

The system you describe with minimal or zero governmental oversight has been used before, and it inevitably leads to oligarchy and massive impoverishment of the underclass. Granting unfettered authority and power to the unelected results in an aristocracy and subjugation of those who don't have access to money.

The best tool against that happening is a government that ensures corporate entities play by the rules and that everybody has a fair shot. If an organisation is so big that it can't be effectively regulated, it is too big, and should be removed.

I would rather have politicians who are at least nominally responsible to their electorate in charge than unelected executives who are only responsible to the bottom like.

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Apr 19, 2015

This sort of measure seems shortsighted, because it would bias itself very strongly against large companies which employ unskilled workers.

The larger a company gets, the more responsibility its leadership needs. The more responsibility you have within a company, the better you're paid. However, unskilled workers tend to earn near minimum wage no matter what, because they have little to no responsibility within the company; they're don't need to make any sort of company-impacting decisions or judgements.

Given that situation, it seems like this would be the sort of law which would punish companies for growing too large while still employing unskilled workers. Perversely, it would reward companies which employ mostly skilled or academic workers - like those found in tech companies. Each of those workers wields proportionally more responsibility in their organization, so the gap is not so large.

Worse, it completely ignores the reality of how companies operate. CEO's aren't even always paid a salary; see the $1 salary. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-dollar_salary . This sort of measure would only encourage bypassing it by funding their leadership with bonuses or stock or assets, instead of direct payment.

Finally, who is to say that this doesn't just increase the (already ridiculous) cost of doing business in California? Does anyone seriously think that a company wouldn't pass the tax on to its customers? Only the most monolithic companies could afford not to.

I understand the idea behind this misguided bill, it's trying to get more people into the middle class. But instead, it looks more like it would give fewer options for those looking to move up - if it even does anything at all.

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Apr 19, 2015

Capitalism doesn't limit how much you can earn however fringe benefits should also be taxed otherwise tie the CEO's tax rate with their minimum wage. The higher the difference the higher the tax rate. Or at least tax their bonuses much higher.

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User voted Yes.
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May 3, 2015

Actually, that's such a vague concept...

How about this?

As long as corporations are considered people, why don't they tax them like people?

The income tax bracket for a person making a billion dollars a year is about the 80% bracket...

Let's start billing the corporations like they're people seeing as how they use that "person" nonsense to get away with all their other skulduggery.

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Jun 26, 2015

It's harder to tax a company, than it is to tax an individual.

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