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Nov 3, 2015

The immense bulk of the sociological evidence is clear. In virtually every institution, being a woman affords one less options and less access.

From the wage gap (which is real, no matter what fraudulent statistical controls people like to attempt, and present in virtually every OECD country) to the second shift to the underrepresentation of women at the highest echelons of almost every political and economic institution (Fortune 500 CEOs, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives, senior partners in law firms in the vast majority of countries, venture capital representation, etc.) to the pink-collar job trajectory, women face quantifiable discrimination.

This combined with micro-aggressions and daily discrimination that the majority of women routinely claim they experience, and generally patriarchal and sexist values, give women, on average, a worse time.

It is crucial to note that this is an average. Race, class and socio-economic status, political power, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, able-bodied status, and a host of other variables have to be taken into account.

Let us consider a common counter-argument: Men in the military or police. In most countries in the Western/industrialized world, the likelihood that a man will be forced to serve in a military, policing or intelligence capacity is near nil. The men that enter those fields choose it, partially because they get a psychic reward in terms of confirmation of patriarchal masculinity and being given a hero's narrative. The fact that these fields are an OPTION gives men by definition more latitude and power: They could NOT serve, but some do, and that gives access to several resources that a comparable woman of the same socio-economic status, race, etc. will have infeiror access to. Meanwhile, women are underrepresented in the military and police of many Western/industrialized societies due to a variety of factors, from outright legalized sexism and discrimination to organizational culture to sexist values in the broader culture.

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Jan 11, 2016

You seem to forget that work and economic status are not the only part of life. There's much more than that. What about life expectations? Man must be successful. Whether in work, family or bed. Women are free to choose if they want to be successful. While man must work like a dog, woman can just enjoy life. Why do you think suicide is much more frequent in men?

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User voted Men.
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Jan 27, 2016

I don't "seem to forget" that at all, Stefan: I talk about "micro-aggressions and daily discrimination", as well as politics. Being a woman is hard for life expectations too: Women are taught to be demure, to always be the good mother and worker, to be the "Supermom". Women these days have plenty of career expectations, but they also have a much higher pressure to be good domestically too. Men only have to succeed in one sphere, women two. I disagree totally that "women are free to choose if they want to be successful". Not only does a capitalist society promote work for everyone, but most newer families these days have to have two wage-earners. That is absolutely quantifiable in the "second shift" literature which is extensive. What I find remarkable about so many of these discussions is how often the people who are so resistant to the idea of gender equality have a mentality that conveniently flips between being stuck in the 1950s and being extremely worried about hypothetical future trends. You're just not describing most Western societies.

Gender differences in suicide are NOWHERE NEAR as simple as you make it out: The data is very complex. And your unwillingness to look at the massive gender micro-aggression literature is very, very worrisome. Women face constant challenges to their competence in almost every field of life. They face body challenges at magnitudes that men simply do not endure: For example, eating disorders are overwhelmingly a gendered phenomenon.

I also think that it's really revealing when men and people critical of feminism have to back off from the statistics of politics and economics to the vagaries of culture. That's usually a criticism lobbied at feminists, that they are talking too much about the subjective and the cultural.

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